What aunt_zelda Thinks: The Avengers
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aunt_zeldaAnd ... I was kinda right. Maybe it was a self-fulfilling prophecy, but ... I wasn't wowed here. I wasn't amazed. There were some good scenes but they were too short. There were some big, well shot, dynamic action sequences, but I didn't get that invested in them. There were some funny moments, but there were also lots of jokes that just fell flat or felt out of place. I saw some good moments, some great effects, and some fantastic actors doing their best. But I also saw a lot of flaws. And mostly I was just underwhelmed. This is seriously the movie all of my friends have been going insane over all year? This is the "best movie of the year" according to geeks?
What am I missing here?! I hate this, I hate feeling like I missed out on something, or didn't see something, or focussed on the wrong parts or the wrong person or SOMETHING. Like I did something wrong here, because I didn't go crazy over this supposedly amazing kickass movie. At times, I didn't even really like it. I didn't hate it, it was a good enough movie I guess, but I didn't love it. What am I missing here?!
Well, here's the rambling thoughts I typed as I watched. Maybe these hold clues to what's wrong with my brain.
Unflappable Agent Coulson. I like him. I don't know why.
Yes, Gamma radiation CAN be dangerous. It can cause an actor to regenerate and have absolutely nobody comment on his regeneration at all!
I like Hawkeye. He sits in high places and makes a puppy face. I think this is the beginning of a long, unhealthy relationship wherein I write way too much fanfiction about him.
So, the blue glowy box thing from the Captain America movie opens up a Stargate and … Loki appears. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people out there who want a magic box that makes Tom Hiddleston appear before them.
Also, hey, there's Dr. Mentor Guy from the Thor movie.
Loki explains nothing and totally mind-controls Hawkeye by touching him with his phallic weapon. Um … you know what, not tonight. I'm not going there tonight.
Can someone please explain to me why Tom Hiddleston looks like he's constantly on the verge of tears? Is that just his thing, or is that a Loki thing, or what.
NOOOOOO he just shot Nick Fury! (I'm kind of surprised the bullet didn't turn around in fear.)
Gratuitous car chase AWAY! (I'm not really a fan of car chases unless they involve the Blues Brothers. So … this didn't do much for me. Well shot, well edited, but … eh.)
"As of right now, we are at war."
Is it technically a war if it's an organization against like, one guy with a magic boomstick, a magic box, and mind-controlled minions? Isn't that more of a counter-terrorism thing, technically? Or a fight, or a battle? Ah well, I'm sure it sounded good in the trailers.
Oh my. Scarlett Johannson getting interrogated in a very flattering outfit. Unfortunately her hair is now much shorter. As this means it won't get in her eyes so much during fights, I am ok with that.
Lol, somebody's been watching reruns of Alias … Joss, was that you? You sly dog.
WHOA I think she just knocked that guy out with her HAIR. DAYUM.
Also, she'll quit a mission if Clint is in trouble. Awwwww.
YAY MARK RUFFALO YAAAAAAAY!
I … I really like him, ok? Not that I didn't like Norton too, but Mark Ruffalo … Mark Ruffalo … *SQUEE*
Good scene between Bruce and Natasha.
Awwwwww, I love seeing Tony and Pepper being adorable together.
"I'm going to pay for that comment about percentages in some subtle way later, aren't I?"
"Not gonna be that subtle."
ILU PEPPER.
"His first name is 'Agent.'"
HEE.
Pepper promises something sexy to Tony if he stays and does homework on the Avengers instead of having awesome sex with her tonight. Can Pepper have her own movie please? I want her to have her own movie someday.
AHAHAHHAAA, Coulson watched Steve while he was asleep. Ahahahahhaaaaa. I'm sorry but … that awkwardly delivered line was just perfect.
So, Loki made some kind of deal/partnership with a guy who has a glass beard thing straight outta a Lady GaGa video, and some kind of slithery space dragon. I think. This would probably make sense to me if I read any Marvel comics beyond Runaways.
Lol, Natasha thought Coulson was going to "swoon" when they got Steve out of the ice, and apparently Coulson is very proud of his vintage Captain America trading cards. *sporfles*
Awwww, Bruce is all awkward and twitchy. I love him. Steve is comforted by the military stuff all around them, Bruce just looks like he's afraid he'll bump into something and people will start shooting at him.
Oh, I see, it's not an aircraft carrier, this is a flying ship like the Valiant from Doctor Who! Badass!
I like the S.H.I.E.L.D. uniforms.
Awwww, Coulson's fanboy crush on Steve is so adorable. But we all know what happens to cute geeks in Whedon stuff, now don't we? Get the tissues, people, we're gonna need them.
I kind of want Clint to play Sebastian Moran now. Not that the BBC could afford him. Or is legally allowed to use him.
I prefer Loki in his snazzy modern clothes. Looks like all that Snape fanart come to life.
I get the feeling there's a lot of people who'd like very much to KNEEL BEFORE ZOD LOKI and would have done so gladly without the explosions and threats.
"You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel."
UNF. I'm sorry, but … dayum, that was kind of incredibly sexy.
Also, so much love for the old German man who stood up and said "Not to men like you" and "There are always men like you." I'd complain about invoking Goodwin's Law so soon, but considering Captain America is here, that's fine by me.
So Steve and Loki fight, then Iron Man shows up and hijacks Natasha's plane to blast some sweet jams because Tony is many things and a total drama queen is one of them. And then Loki surrenders. Seriously Tom Hiddleston, could you stop looking like a kicked puppy for five bloody seconds? It's getting distracting!
Wait, are they seriously taking Loki back to their home base? No … no, please tell me they're more Genre Savvy than THAT. This is CLEARLY a trap to get him into the base for some reason, have they not read the Evil Overlord List?!
Did … did Thor almost kiss his brother? Ew. Seriously, please tell me I'm not the only one who saw that, he grabbed Loki by the neck/face and pulled their foreheads together … and then yanked him out of the plane. Um … what?
(Bahahaa, I posted something about that on Facebook and asked "am I supposed to read into that? Because I don't want to!" and my friend said "I don't think so … It's the Avengers, not Game of Thrones." Ahahaha, I have the best friends.)
Oh, hey, finally Loki explains his motivations and lays things out for me, the confused person watching this. NOW I get him. He thinks he was living in Thor's shadow all along and thinks Thor threw him into the Abyss, even though we all saw that the latter is a total lie and the former might not be that true either. So he thinks he's got just cause and he's really just batshit insane. Was that really so hard, Thor: The Movie? Apparently so, because the Loki in that movie made no gorram sense and never explained jack shit.
Also, Thor, stop grabbing Loki by the neck, it's making me think sexy thoughts and then freak out because you're BROTHERS and EEEEEEW. Not blood brothers but raised as brothers from infancy, so brothers in my mind.
"You think yourself above them."
*'duh' face* "Well, yes."
LOL. Please make that face again, Loki, you didn't look like you were about to cry that time!
And Thor, you're not gonna get through to this guy with words, but I appreciate that you're trying so hard.
… and he just did it again! What is it with this grabbing-him-by-the-neck-and-getting-all-close thing?! Did nobody on set pull Chris Hemsworth aside and tell him it kinda looks like he's about to kiss Tom HIddleston? Were they too embarrassed to be the first person to notice and thus just kept quiet?
And now Thor and Iron Man are going to have a fight. Because Tony isn't smart enough to talk things out right now and Thor is annoyed at this puny mortal interrupting his important exposition scene with his brother. I'm kind of annoyed too. This isn't that classic situation where two people run into each other in the dark or weird circumstances and end up fighting even though they shouldn't be, because they're on the same side in the end. No, these two had ample time to talk things out. Instead they're fighting. Because RAWR ACTION MOVIE YAAAAAAAAAY.
I do find it awesome how Thor just headbutted Iron Man.
Tony has quickly figured out that Thor loves his Hammer and telling him to put it down probably isn't a good idea. I really hope Tony doesn't read up on those Norse myths which basically state that the Hammer truly is his penis. Because Tony won't shut up about that EVER AGAIN if he finds out.
I'm a little bummed out we don't get the ensuing discussion after the sonic boom from Mjolnir impacting against the Captain's shield. I was more interested in them talking to each other than punching each other against greenscreens. Maybe I'm in a minority here.
Why yes, they are stupid enough to bring Loki to their home base and break Rule #10 on the Evil Overlord List. Then again, it is a superstrong glass cage over a trapdoor that opens out over open sky. Points for originality I guess. Maybe Nick Fury shouldn't have been taunting Loki about it while on speakerphone, though, because the cage was built for Bruce and Bruce and the rest of the team hear about that. Loki looks and sounds far too interested in the Hulk, btw. Not sure if that squicks or intrigues me.
Loki looks a lot less kicked-puppy in this scene at least, all smug and smiles.
"Well let me know if 'real power' wants a magazine or something."
Lol. I wonder what Nick would bring Loki for entertainment. Something ironic?
"He really grows on you, doesn't he?" Bruce smiles painfully while looking at the videoscreen. Is he talking about Loki or Nick? And how freaked out is he to learn that cage was meant for him, with the 30,000 ft drop underneath it? We gonna follow up on that, or do I have to go looking for fanfic.
Lol, "bag full of cats." ILU Bruce. You're my favorite.
"He is also a brother."
"He killed 80 people in two days."
"… he is also adopted."
Was that supposed to be funny? *scratches head*
"That man is playing Galaga! Thought we wouldn't notice! But we did."
Wanton disregard for the safety of Earth's people! Give it up for S.H.I.E.L.D. background employees, people!
And now I ship Tony and Bruce. Like, instantly, once they start talking science, shaking hands, and Tony compliments first Bruce's science work and then says he's a "huge fan" of the way Bruce loses control and "turns into an enormous green rage monster." Bruce looks pained and attempts a "thank you."
Awwww, Steve is so happy he understood a pop-culture reference!
Tony promptly invites Bruce to his swank house and then stabs him with a shock pen to try and get a Hulk reaction. When Bruce doesn't freak out, he asks what the secret is, and one of his proposed theories is "a huge bag of weed." *snerk* Steve comes in to berate Tony for being a dumbass and endangering everyone, because it's not funny to mess with Bruce like that. It's really not. Bruce seems amused though, and smiles at Tony, and jokes with him, and then Tony shares his food with him. I ship them so hard, they just casually fall into this adorable friendship like instantly and I want them to make out on the lab tables and it took me by surprise!
Steve's hair is beautiful. Not nearly as beautiful as Thor's of course, but still. His uniform isn't the best, though. What's with the hoodie?
Tony and Bruce have a heart-to-heart. I wish there was more of them together in the movie, the actors work really well together.
"Love is for children, I owe him a debt."
Ooooooo … and now, hearing her backstory, I wanna have a Black Widow movie. Guest starring Hawkeye!
Best scene in the movie? Thus far, yes. Tom Hiddleston shines, all intense and insane and promising to make Clint kill Natasha "slowly, intimately" and Natasha's face flickering in nicely subtle ways … YEESH. Damn good scene, right there. How they got the word "quim" past the censors I will never know, though it's not the first time Joss has done that (*cough* Firefly *cough* The Message *cough*) And YAY Natasha was only faking being upset (or is just very good at slipping back into her mask) and rubs it in Loki's face that he didn't get to her and she got info from him. WOOT! *punches the air*
: ( They're all fighting like petty children. They'd better cut that out soon. Also, I'd have preferred more character focus and gradual bickering and friendship over several scenes, rather than one scene where everyone's issues get hashed out and all the fighting happens. At least Bruce gets some great moments.
Ok, this is good. Tony and Steve have to work together on engines. Loki is smirking. Hawkeye is badass. Natasha is being chased by the Hulk through some gorgeous industrial maze of pipes and stuff. Then Thor smashes into the Hulk and fights with him AND tries to talk to him. I love Thor. Like, a lot. Now that he's not in a terrible movie, I love him even more.
So, lots of things … smashing … being crushed … attempts at funny lines falling flat ...
Clint just shot a virus into the ship. On an arrow. I … what. Is that amazing or stupid.
"The humans think us immortal … shall we test that?"
*shivers* That was genuinely scary. And finally, Hiddleston not looking like a kicked-puppy! At least, not very much. It's the eyes and the face, I swear.
So, Coulson shows up with a giant gun … and gets stabbed. To death. By Loki. This makes me sad. But I knew it was going to happen. Because Joss is Joss. And I'd also read spoilers.
Clint and Natasha's fight was awesome! I liked it a lot! Also she made sure to knock him out, not cave when he seemed to come to at the end and blearily said her name.
Coulson tells Loki he'll fail because he "lacks conviction" and then shoots him with the cool big gun. Sweeeeeeeet!
Then he dies. That's sad.
Then the movie treats this like a huge important character died. Maybe it's because I knew he was going to die but … this didn't really pack a punch for me. He's appeared in a lot of the tie-in stuff, he's a ubiquitous character, he had that adorable fanboy thing about Captain America (he was carrying the trading cards with him when he died, and Nick tosses them across the table at Steve. Some of them have blood on them now.) I just … don't get it. I mean, it's not like Steve needed motivation, he got that all sorted out in his movie. I prefer the more subtle moments we got from this, like Thor's desperation, Natasha's fear at being hunted by the Hulk and pain at being forced to fight Clint, and Tony having to work with a team. Did we really need a death of a recognizable character to make things more serious all of the sudden? This strikes me as rather similar to the Women in Refrigerators trope, as Coulson's death serves to motivate other (primarily male) characters, and he doesn't come back from the dead. What purpose did his death serve besides giving the team a reason to stop their petty infighting and realize, oh, hey, people are dying and we should get our shit together. Did the EIGHTY PEOPLE a couple days ago that Loki killed not accomplish that?
Auuuuuuuwww, Bruce's first question when he wakes up crashed through a ceiling in a pile of bricks is if he hurt anybody. Auuuuuuuuwwww. I wanna hug him. So much hugging … who's that old guy who asks nonchalantly if Bruce is an alien? I liked him.
Wow, Fury bloodied up the cards to give the team the "push" to team up? Wow. That's kind of a dickish move.
So, Loki doesn't attack Tony while he's transforming. Kinda like in Sailor Moon!
"There is no version of this where you come out on top."
Um, Tony? Could you maybe not say things like that when you're alone in a room with Loki and he's got a thing for telling people to KNEEL? I'm … thinking THOUGHTS that I shouldn't be thinking …
Lol, and then of course Loki tries to mind-control Tony, but the tap-his-heart thing doesn't work because metal chest reactor thingie, and Tony makes a crack about "performance issues" and Loki chucks him across the room. *tugs at collar* Ahem hem hem.
Oh joy, a bunch of faceless CGI mooks the MPAA won't get mad about our heroes shooting onscreen. Wanton destruction, blah blah blah, explosions, very nicely shot chaos, very nice … I'm just not into it, is all.
I'm liking this. I guess. You know, for a big explody action sequence it's well done, engaging and all. It's just not my THING. I prefer hand-to-hand fights, or hand-to-weapon fights. You know what I mean, sieges, now those are engaging. Swords and axes. Giant alien skeleton whale thing and CGI goblins exploding NYC and planes going down and cars flipping … this does not do it for me.
Awwww, Thor tries to convince Loki to help stop this, and how they can fight alongside each other again. Loki stabs Thor in the gut with a little knife. : ( At least Thor tried!
Cars flipping, explosions … the movie is well shot and it's making my adrenaline go "wooooo!" but on a deeper level, it's not really engaging me.
I wanna see the Buddapest thing. Spinoff? Please?
Can someone please explain the skeletal fish turtle thing to me please? Is that like a thing from the comics or did they just make that up for the movie?
Clint, Natasha, and Steve fighting the goblins was way more exciting to me than any of the big explosions.
YAY, Bruce Hulks out! Awwww, the Hulk looks so happy when Steve tells him to "Smash!"
Hey, wouldn't it have been cool if Natalie Portman's character had been mind controlled and helped build the portal thingie? Just a thought.
All this wanton destruction of NYC makes me wonder about the cleanup and rebuilding and all the lives that will be messed up for months and years to come. Why don't we ever have movies about that? The post-superhero battle? Where people have to go on unemployment because their office building got leveled, or file for worker's comp because their leg got smashed by concrete, or take cabs because the subways have been shut down and are being completely rebuilt? Now that's a movie I wanna see someday.
Also, thousands of people are now dead. HAPPY EPIC SUPERHERO MOVIE!
Ahahahahahaa, I loved it when the Hulk smashed Loki. That was FUN. "Puny god" indeed! The whimpery noise Loki made after was a bit much.
Thank god that window wasn't shatterproof Clint, or you'd probably be dead.
Well, that's just cruel, Pepper not hearing her phone buzzing while Tony's about to go on a suicide mission.
Oh, the alien goblins were also robots? Was that like, established? Ok ok, whatever …
YAY, the Hulk caught Tony!
"Please tell me nobody kissed me."
Yeah, Tony, that just in the fanfiction.
Ahahahahaa, Shawarma. What is it with the Marvelverse and random food. Fondue. Shawarma.
I hope Loki got that drink. He needed it.
Lol, lookit all the fan tattoos and fanart and Stan Lee and fangirls and fanboys. YAY. Personally I'd like a movie of all the public reactions to the destruction and superheroes. Not just a clip montage. But that's just me.
So, Thor and Loki go home with the magic box. Clint and Natasha go off together to be awesome and wonderful. Steve rides off on a motorcycle and smiles. And Tony and Bruce get in a car together. *SQUEEEEEEEE*
Nick Fury is so badass, he knows that there are sequels in place.
Ooooo, nice, I like how the final shot shows that all the letters of Stark Tower were blown off except for the signature Avengers A.
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Date: 2012-12-22 09:27 am (UTC)I ship Bruce/Tony too.
You know there's ton of Loki/Thor fic yes? I don't ship it but your comments on the subtext - well, that subtext is just plain there.
Agreed on the Coulson fridging. I like the character too, actually.
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Date: 2012-12-22 11:44 am (UTC)But I disagree with you underwhelming feeling. I do think this is the best superhero movie yet and yes, I'm including the dark knight there, but that's just my opinion.
But anyway, after reading your type-while-watching, I think the main problem is that you have others' opinion about the movie beforehand and you are digging too much into it, thinking fanfic scenarios instead of what's on the movie and for what it is, like the clean up and the workers, that's fanfic material, you know that.
So…Yes, maybe it would have been better to watch it sooner, you didn't actually analyzed it as to try to find why you should like it instead of just watch it. I can see that you liked it, but you were making too much of an effort to squeeze the good out of it to instead of, you know, just sit down and enjoy it.
Maybe next time. It's just a movie; don't beat yourself over it :)
Also, random comment: Tony/Loki, I SHIP IT!
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Date: 2012-12-24 04:05 am (UTC)I guess? I mean, sure I lost some of the excitement because it's been months and I didn't see it in theaters at midnight dressed up with my friends. I only watched most of the tie-in movies days before watching this, I didn't keep rewatching them for years until the Avengers FINALLY came out and I was just relieved and elated to see all the characters onscreen together ... like all my friends were doing. And I knew Coulson was gonna die and Bruce would come back to fight alongside them and Loki would lose.
But ... knowing some of what's going to happen shouldn't turn a good movie bad in someone's eyes. I should have still been able to squee all over this movie even knowing stuff about it, even months after it was released. I WANTED it to fulfill all the amazing expectations my friends had been telling me, that it was going to be awesome and fun and fantastic and one of the best movies of the year. But I was also bracing myself for it to be not as mind-blowing as they said it was, but at least a very good movie written by Joss Whedon and starring some great actors doing cool things.
But ... I didn't like this movie. There, I said it. I didn't like the Avengers. Certain scenes I loved. Certain characters I wanted to know more about and see more of. But overall? Sorry to say, Iron Man 2 was a better movie in my eyes. And Iron Man 2 had some SERIOUS flaws and tone issues. It had a gorram cockatoo and Sam Rockwell, for christ's sake.
I just got the feeling through the Avengers that I was expected to be laughing at certain jokes that weren't even funny (they weren't spoiled for me in fanfic, I'd never heard some of those lines and they just fell flat) or excited about action sequences I felt no vested interest in (Thor and Tony are fighting ... because it's epic and the fans want to see that? *shrugs*)
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Date: 2012-12-24 04:05 am (UTC)Ahem, no, Mystery Men is the Best Superhero Movie!
(Lol, I kid, I kid. Let's not get into a debate about "best" superhero movies. Everyone has different tastes, and let's face it, Mystery Men wouldn't be that high on a list for many reasons.)
Seriously though, a movie that contains Tom Waits, Geoffrey Rush, William H. Macy, and Eddie Izzard and takes place in a cyberpunk futuristic culture-mash-up city with meta humor that doesn't take itself too seriously and still tells some heartwarming tales of character development ... that might not be the best superhero movie ever but it's one of my all time favorites.you are digging too much into it, thinking fanfic scenarios instead of what's on the movie and for what it is, like the clean up and the workers, that's fanfic material, you know that.
That's not something I wanted in this movie, just something I thought of. It'd be an interesting way to start a superhero movie, is all I'm saying, after the big fight, focussing on the people who have to actually live in that kind of world, deal with the fact that they can't get to work on time because the subways are closed, rebuild their restaurant only to have it torn down by the Hulk in six months, etc.
you didn't actually analyzed it as to try to find why you should like it instead of just watch it. I can see that you liked it, but you were making too much of an effort to squeeze the good out of it to instead of, you know, just sit down and enjoy it.
Most of the analysis is me trying to figure out what I'm missing. All my friends went absolutely crazy for this movie. And I ... didn't. I liked some scenes, some characters, and some sequences, but overall I was disappointed. And that makes me really sad.
Maybe next time. It's just a movie; don't beat yourself over it :)
Well, I won't, but some of my friends might! I'm terrified of mentioning it on facebook, I alluded to not really liking it and people FLIPPED OUT!
I'll just have to think of what to say once I get back to school. Stuff like "everything with Black Widow was awesome, and most of Clint's stuff, he's great." And "Tony and Bruce are so adorable together, can Mark Ruffalo and RDJ have a spinoff movie together where they make robots and have sexual tension? I would watch the HELL outta that movie."
Also, random comment: Tony/Loki, I SHIP IT!
Mmmmmm, yeah, after that conversation and Tony teasing him about performance issues and offering him a drink ... I kinda wanted things to go a different way. Like a sexy way.
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Date: 2012-12-24 04:51 am (UTC)So, you were not impressed as your friends were, that's not a bad think. Strange? Hmmm, maybe, but not a bad thing.
I keep on thinking you got pre-programmed to basically not liking it. You dig in too much, to the point that when you actually see what it was, it didn't live to your standards and that's just… kind of weird to be honest, but hey, it not the end of the word
As long as you don't got screaming that it sucks, because it actually doesn't and I don't want you to get trolled :(Also, the Tony/Loki sexy ways is the best.
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Date: 2012-12-24 05:23 am (UTC)It's a fun little movie. Ahead of it's time in my opinion, superhero movies were still very unpopular at the time. If it had come out a few years later it would have been much bigger, in my opinion.
Some of the jokes are a little crude for my tastes, but overall I love that movie so much.
So, you were not impressed as your friends were, that's not a bad think. Strange? Hmmm, maybe, but not a bad thing.
You don't understand. I go to a school with a massive film department. My friends and I talk about films constantly. I'm trying to switch into a film major. I make films with my friends. And everyone is a huge geek.
So this is going to come up at some point. And people will RAGE. And I might start crying.
I keep on thinking you got pre-programmed to basically not liking it. You dig in too much, to the point that when you actually see what it was, it didn't live to your standards and that's just… kind of weird to be honest, but hey, it not the end of the word
Everyone told me it would be awesome. I was excited about this movie. I was worried it wouldn't blow my mind, but confident it'd be a very good movie, or at least incredibly fun and something I'd want to watch with friends as soon as I got back to college. I'd watched all the tie-ins and while not all of them were amazing, most were fun and even the not-so good ones were something I'd watch again in a heartbeat, preferably with friends and popcorn.
I'm digging in "too much" because 1) I like to analyze movies, any movies, because that's what I'm into, I want to get into the film industry when I graduate, and I'm making movies with my friends at college and 2) I'm trying to figure out WHY I didn't like it. About halfway through the movie I was bewildered, THIS was the movie my friends were raving about? What was I missing? I didn't start out analyzing it, I started out thinking I would only jot down a few notes on a word document to post to my LJ about my favorite bits, moments that made me laugh, funny things I wanted to mention. I started out just watching the movie. I kept trying to just watch it, but by the end I was trying to figure out what wasn't getting to me. The action, maybe? Unless it's hand-to-hand, action doesn't really do it for me. Plus, the characters hadn't been given enough time to make connections to me, so the action sequences had pretty low stakes. They just had to fight the CGI aliens until they figured out how to blow up the thing. They weren't fighting, say, mind-controlled humans, or trying to prevent the army from getting to a location, or evacuating people. They just kinda fought CGI aliens and told people to run every now and again. And also there were like, skeleton whales in the sky. That was never explained. In fact, the CGI aliens were never really explained either. Did they want to take over Earth? Destroy it? Enslave humanity? What were they even called? Why did they want to take over? And why did they all conveniently drop dead after the portal closed? Were they robots too?
As long as you don't got screaming that it sucks, because it actually doesn't and I don't want you to get trolled :(
It didn't suck, it was an ok movie, I never wanted to turn it off or anything. But overall I was disappointed. It didn't wow me. And it had ample money, talent, and opportunity to wow me. It wowed everyone else. But for some reason, it didn't work for me. I'm not going to rant that it sucked, because it didn't, but I'm going to try and figure out WHY I didn't like it, what about it didn't work for me personally, and some movie flaws that might have contributed to this.
Also, the Tony/Loki sexy ways is the best.
Indeed! :D
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Date: 2012-12-24 04:44 am (UTC)Still, I'm pretty sure that you didn't get the correct impression because you basically already knew everything that was going to happen, and yes, it does makes a difference, because the surprise doesn't exist anymore.
But Zelda, dear, I honestly cannot believe you think Iron Man II is better :/
"If he frees or kills Loki, the Tesseract is lost." That's why they fought, Tony doesn’t know Thor and he took Loki, so they had to get him back, they got to know each other a bit at the fighting stance, now Tony knos how Thor fights and what he can do, also Steve makes an impression, instead of having 20 minutes of exposition. Even in the comics they had many fights before they worked as a team, this is something like that.
And Tony declares Loki as his stuff, I approve of that.no subject
Date: 2012-12-24 05:09 am (UTC)Still, I'm pretty sure that you didn't get the correct impression because you basically already knew everything that was going to happen, and yes, it does makes a difference, because the surprise doesn't exist anymore.
I'm gonna hafta disagree. It wasn't like there was a big twist or a big reveal here that completely spoiled the plot and ruined some big surprise. The premise was that all the heroes from the previous Avengers movies would get together in this movie and kick some ass. That was advertised to people who then went and saw it earlier this year in theaters. They loved it. I knew the premise, some of the moments from the movie, and went in expecting it to be a fun cool badass movie written by Joss Freaking Whedon and staring a lot of talent. And then I watched it and didn't go crazy for it, and now I feel really sad and letdown and I'm trying and failing to figure out what I missed.
But Zelda, dear, I honestly cannot believe you think Iron Man II is better :/
Well, I'll need to watch both of them again, but right now the main difference is that everyone told me Iron Man 2 was going to suck, I'd hate it, it'd be boring, and it was a shame I'd have to watch it to get to the Avengers. So I went into it nervous and was pleasantly surprised.
And yeah, there were some stupid jokes. Some poorly developed conflicts and villains. Some meh scenes. But overall? The characters worked well together. I saw a lot more varied and genuine teamwork in Iron Man 2 than in the Avengers, which sold itself as being an epic teamup between all these big superheroes ... and turned out to feature them bickering like kids and then reluctantly fighting together almost halfway into the movie, and then finally banding together in a very strange action sequence in which I had no vested interest in. They didn't get to hang out enough, have character development, or anything. For a team-up movie there was surprisingly little teamwork. I honestly can't remember them all being in the same room at once. When they were mourning Coulson's death I stared at the screen and was like "where is everyone? Fury is talking to Steve and Tony like they're the only Avengers. Um, Hakweye's had more dealings with Coulson than these two, you maybe wanna have him here for this dramatic moment? Or Natasha? What about Thor? He met Coulson, surely he'd be motivated to put his differences aside because the 'Son of Coul' fell in battle against Loki?" Even the Epic Team Powerwalk shot only featured three of the characters. It was just ... weird.
"If he frees or kills Loki, the Tesseract is lost." That's why they fought, Tony doesn’t know Thor and he took Loki, so they had to get him back, they got to know each other a bit at the fighting stance, now Tony knos how Thor fights and what he can do, also Steve makes an impression, instead of having 20 minutes of exposition. Even in the comics they had many fights before they worked as a team, this is something like that.
No, I'm calling it, that right there was pandering. They could have talked things out, or at least attempted to before starting to punch each other. Instead we got a pointless fight and no talking. Whedon is a master at dialogue, I was expecting a lot of fun banter between these guys and I got very little.
I'm not talking 20 minutes of exposition, but a couple of lines wouldn't have killed them. Thor saying something about how impressive Steve's shield is, explaining that Loki is his brother and he won't let them kill him, Tony and Steve assuring him they don't want to kill him, just locate the tesseract, Thor agreeing that's ok and offering to come along with them ... it would take like three minutes, tops.
And Tony declares Loki as his stuff, I approve of that.
*snerk* Oh yes! Pretty sure Loki will resent being referred to as such, HE wants to be the one getting people to KNEEEEEEEL after all, but I'm sure Tony can foster a little submission out of Loki.
... stop trying to distract me with fun mental images like that! *fans self*
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Date: 2012-12-24 05:57 am (UTC)But it does worry me a bit that you don't actually know why you don't like it. I mean, I know why I didn't like most of the Dark Knight Rises, no mistery there.
... stop trying to distract me with fun mental images like that! *fans self*
NEVER! MUAHAHAHAHA!
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Date: 2012-12-24 06:05 am (UTC)Not the 80 people Loki just killed in the past two days? Some heroes.There were some great scenes. Everything with Natasha was wonderful. I loved all the subtle stuff going on with her character, hints about her past, how she was so worried about Clint, how she got so scared of Bruce but held it together. Loved all of that. And I liked Clint a lot, he just OWNED that character and it was wonderful. And Loki was much better in this movie, he had some truly hilarious "Bitch please" faces going on, and some good speeches, and actually explained himself unlike in the Thor movie.
Ah yes, the Dark Knight Rises ... that movie had issues. I liked it, but it wasn't the best. I couldn't understand 80% of what Bane said, some of the fights were shot too close up, the whole prison thing was stupid, Catwoman was great but shoehorned into the plot, and they went a little overboard on the social commentary.
That said, I did cry hysterically on three separate occasions during the movie, and I got excited and pumped and punched the air at times, so it did some stuff right.
NEVER! MUAHAHAHAHA!
I approve of this evil plan! *grinz*
Tony/Loki has fun scary potential, but Tony/Bruce is probably what I came out of that movie shipping the hardest.
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Date: 2012-12-24 06:15 am (UTC)I approve of this evil plan! *grinz*
*Smirk*
Tony/Loki has fun scary potential,
I love what several authors on AO3 have done with that potential; there are many great fics out there now.
but Tony/Bruce is probably what I came out of that movie shipping the hardest.
I like these two more as a BROTP, science bros 4ever!
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Date: 2012-12-24 06:20 am (UTC)I guess? I mean, that's what the movie was doing, but I didn't buy it. Know who's going to be sad about Coulson dying? Pepper, Fury, Maria, and maybe Clint and Natasha depending on how much they liked him. I can see Steve being motivated by that, but he was already motivated so script-wise, why kill the Captain American fanboy S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. If they were trying to work in an angle of "people look up to you guys and you can't even work together" or something, the movie missed a huge opportunity to pull something like that.
Also, they establish they were not a team and they were not heroes, they actually said it. After Coulson, it was them trying to change that and actually trying to be a team. I think it worked.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point, then.
I love what several authors on AO3 have done with that potential; there are many great fics out there now.
Any links you have on hand? I've been lurking on the kink meme and poking around some communities, but recommendations from friends are always best.
I like these two more as a BROTP, science bros 4ever!
I could read them as that, or as a pairing. (I could read Bruce with anyone, really. I just love Bruce, ok? *blushes*)
Honestly, what I ship is Pepper/Tony/Bruce, because Pepper/Tony is so wonderful in the movies but I also want Tony/Bruce and I think Pepper and Tony inviting Bruce into their relationship would be lovely.
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Date: 2012-12-24 06:45 am (UTC)BUT OF COURSE!
"Nine Lives" by MaverikLoki. A bit silly but cute. It has kitty!Loki, fluff, some crack and also has plot. I quiet like it.
Now... I particulary like the "Not Defeted" series by Milli. Being the third in the series "The Ugly Truth", the one that builds the Tony/Loki relationship. Just a fair warning, the first one in the series, "Broken" is really, really dark. We're talking rape and torture dark, so, be warned.