but bear in mind that he was the antagonist in this movie and the audience has to side with Thor. Woulda been nice for the movie to establish that like ... any time before that scene. All of the sudden BAM, Loki is the bad guy! ... ok? Thanks for giving us like three vague hints before this and no scene where Loki made the decision to start fucking with his brother's head now.
It helped Thor to try and settle in what would have be his mortal life and then understand something was pretty fucked up with his brother, to the point of the fight and then Thor making the sacrifice, proving himself worthy and whoohoo, he's back. That part I liked a lot. It was one of the few very good scenes in the Thor movie.
So, basically the movie did exactly what the writers wanted: your sympathy for Loki was gone, because, hey! He's the bad guy; you're not supposed to like him, right? Yeah, in the clumsiest, laziest script writing way ever. They had the time to give Loki a few more scenes and flesh out his character, explain his motivations a bit more. Have a legit character arc. But instead ... no. "You're supposed to hate Loki now all of the sudden ... um, look he just made Thor cry and tell him his dad is dea! What a dick! Grrrr, hate this man now!" Why not have him drown some kittens while he was at it, to make sure the audience knew he was the bad guy now? *eyeroll* I'm just saying, there was such potential there and the movie squandered it.
Loki is not a dislikable character, but he has to be for ¾ of the film, because he's the bad guy, so he has to be horrible to the good guy, so you will dislike him at least while the climax is in progress, otherwise it wouldn't make sense. It doesn't make sense as it stands! For 3/4s of the movie Loki isn't even THERE! (Ok, ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration ... more like 7/10s.) He starts out pretty decent, not wanting Thor to be king but would YOU want Thor-at-the-beginning-of-this-movie to be king? Then he has a major bomb dropped on him about his whole life being a lie. Then he ... is king of Asgard while his dad sleeps. And seems pretty sane. The next thing we see is him sadistically messing with Thor. Then he cooks up a convoluted plan to make himself look good to his father. Then he sends a robot to kill Thor. These scenes are all disjointed and not long enough at all. A few more scenes, and longer ones, could have fixed a lot of the issues with this movie, explaining why Loki is doing this, his arc. But ... nah.
This is not a book; this is an action movie, so resolutions have to be that way. Yeah, this is a movie, I should know why the villain is doing the stuff he's doing, even if he's like the Joker and doing it because he's INSANE. I still don't understand Loki's motivation in this movie. In the Avengers it's established (quickly, but still established) that Loki is 1) bugfuck crazy and 2) resents his brother and wants to outshine him. In the Thor movie we got barely any time with the main antagonist. Loki goes from trying to get his brother into trouble and being thought of as a good friend and brother by everyone else, to freaking out over a major revelation about who he is, to making himself king and being a responsible king, to fucking with his brother for some reason, to sending a robot to kill his brother. What?
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Date: 2012-12-24 05:34 am (UTC)Woulda been nice for the movie to establish that like ... any time before that scene. All of the sudden BAM, Loki is the bad guy! ... ok? Thanks for giving us like three vague hints before this and no scene where Loki made the decision to start fucking with his brother's head now.
It helped Thor to try and settle in what would have be his mortal life and then understand something was pretty fucked up with his brother, to the point of the fight and then Thor making the sacrifice, proving himself worthy and whoohoo, he's back.
That part I liked a lot. It was one of the few very good scenes in the Thor movie.
So, basically the movie did exactly what the writers wanted: your sympathy for Loki was gone, because, hey! He's the bad guy; you're not supposed to like him, right?
Yeah, in the clumsiest, laziest script writing way ever. They had the time to give Loki a few more scenes and flesh out his character, explain his motivations a bit more. Have a legit character arc. But instead ... no. "You're supposed to hate Loki now all of the sudden ... um, look he just made Thor cry and tell him his dad is dea! What a dick! Grrrr, hate this man now!" Why not have him drown some kittens while he was at it, to make sure the audience knew he was the bad guy now? *eyeroll*
I'm just saying, there was such potential there and the movie squandered it.
Loki is not a dislikable character, but he has to be for ¾ of the film, because he's the bad guy, so he has to be horrible to the good guy, so you will dislike him at least while the climax is in progress, otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense as it stands! For 3/4s of the movie Loki isn't even THERE! (Ok, ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration ... more like 7/10s.) He starts out pretty decent, not wanting Thor to be king but would YOU want Thor-at-the-beginning-of-this-movie to be king? Then he has a major bomb dropped on him about his whole life being a lie. Then he ... is king of Asgard while his dad sleeps. And seems pretty sane. The next thing we see is him sadistically messing with Thor. Then he cooks up a convoluted plan to make himself look good to his father. Then he sends a robot to kill Thor. These scenes are all disjointed and not long enough at all. A few more scenes, and longer ones, could have fixed a lot of the issues with this movie, explaining why Loki is doing this, his arc. But ... nah.
This is not a book; this is an action movie, so resolutions have to be that way.
Yeah, this is a movie, I should know why the villain is doing the stuff he's doing, even if he's like the Joker and doing it because he's INSANE. I still don't understand Loki's motivation in this movie. In the Avengers it's established (quickly, but still established) that Loki is 1) bugfuck crazy and 2) resents his brother and wants to outshine him. In the Thor movie we got barely any time with the main antagonist.
Loki goes from trying to get his brother into trouble and being thought of as a good friend and brother by everyone else, to freaking out over a major revelation about who he is, to making himself king and being a responsible king, to fucking with his brother for some reason, to sending a robot to kill his brother. What?