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aunt_zelda ([personal profile] aunt_zelda) wrote2011-02-02 07:37 pm
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 So, tvtropes, one of my favorite places on the internet, has been going through some befuddling and irksome changes over the past couple of months. As I've been busy and the changes haven't been too inconvenient (YMMV pages, separating tropes that YMMV on to a different page ... eh, annoying but whatever.)

But now they're talking about DELETING PAGES. (Go here and vote!) Namely THE FETISH FUEL PAGES!!!!!!
FUCK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

It upsets me greatly when ANYTHING online is deleted, especially whole pages, especially ones that bring me joy. 
Moving the 'Troper Tales' stuff to another website sounds like a good idea to me. Outright deleting all that stuff seems ... kinda drastic. What's going on? If you're offended by something you read in a Troper Tales page ... don't read something labeled 'Fetish Fuel.'

Do you have any idea how many shows/movies I've watched simply because of something I read on a Fetish Fuel page? I don't even know, I've stopped keeping track. I personally like to know what, ahem, excites other people. It's interesting to me. If I'm squicked, I move on. I don't start crying for the whole thing to be taken down because someone's fetish is disturbing to me. 

Does anyone know if saving a webpage means you really save it, so even if it's deleted it'll still be there on your desktop ... or does saving it as a 'Web Archive' mean you basically create a shortcut that will stop working once the original page is deleted? 'Cause if the Fetish Fuel pages are going, I'm SAVING as much as I possibly can in the limited free time I have. Actually, if saving something as a 'Web Archive' doesn't work, I would be willing to PAY PEOPLE MONEY to take screenshots or whatever to preserve the pages and e-mail those to me, if the Fetish Fuel pages are indeed going to be deleted, because I don't have a lot of free time right now.
Edit: saved all the pages that are relevant to my interests. Voted all I could. I'll try and do more tomorrow, right now I need to sleep.

So what if I'm a perv? At least I don't think I have the right to judge other people's fetishes. 

[identity profile] cysfics.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
We're on the same page about this; yes, people have "weird" fetishes. But they're THEIR fetishes. I've found several different series by the fetish fuel page. I don't know what's going to happen, but hopefully they won't delete. (Apologies for incoherence, I just woke up from a nap).

[identity profile] aunt-zelda.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this has gone from scary and random to rage-inducing for me. Not good, because I've gotta get to bed here pretty quick. Stupid school, stupid work, KEEPING THE TVTROPES FETISH FUEL PAGES IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!

I mean, there aren't graphic images or links to porn sites, it's mostly just people saying 'so-and-so from such-and-such being tied up was HOT.' And on tvtropes, it's a little late to start 'thinking of the children' (which is an expression that means BULLCRAP on the internet. The kids are already here, they've already seen more naked people than a streakers convention, and they know more sexual terms than their parents because they went to urbandictionary to search words they didn't understand. Then they went tvtropes and read up on their favorite show. I understand keeping the pedophilia stuff off, that's just fine, but lumping ALL Fetish Fuel as 'wrong' and saying just because something squicks you means it should be DELETED!?!?!???!?! I'M GONNA SMASH SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!)

Apologies for MY incoherence, I'm up too late and need to get to sleep.

[identity profile] cysfics.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
No worries! Not to add to your rage, but did you hear the latest thing about one of our beloved TGWTG reviewers?

[identity profile] aunt-zelda.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Um ... no? I don't think so ... *checks the Kink Meme, which has become my news feed for the past couple of months* Paw likes jawbreakers? Liz approves of the Judas Liz/Scarlett fic? Nash can suck my toes?

[identity profile] cysfics.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
How do I put this without looking like a drama stirrer....

Fuck that. I'll stir drama.

http://www.formspring.me/JesuOtaku/q/156938226634888105

[identity profile] aunt-zelda.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
*follows, thinking 'hey, it's probably about her and Nash and people bugging them and we should let them be, which is kinda odd considering Liz and Lewis and Spoony and Scarlett and Lindsay and Nella are just fine with things but hey, we should respect that ...'*

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Excuse me, I have to go throw up.



Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck! Why is the internet falling apart this year? WHY?! I really don't need this, any of this DRAMA. I have too much work and my free time is limited and when things like the Kink Meme and tvtropes and stuff keep happening and I have to freak out and try to help and that takes me away from my schoolwork and if I fail I FAIL, big time and then I don't know what I'll do ... *calms down*

God, JO ... you're the kind of person I used to want to punch back in elementary school. I used to think you were a cool person. Funny. Nice. Sexy. Intelligent. I thought it might be fun to hang out with you someday, somehow.
How can someone so cool and smart be so awful and stupid inside?
... not gonna watch any more of HER reviews. No adds giving HER money from my clicking!
What a ... a ...

You know what, I'm gonna go to bed now, and I'll come back tomorrow with a proper insulting term for her, ok?

[identity profile] cysfics.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make your day any worse. I figure if nothing else, someone else who wasn't straight might appreciate it (unless I've read you wrong, at which point you can point at me and laugh).

[identity profile] aunt-zelda.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
No no, this is something I should know. This is something EVERYONE should know! *snarls*
*tries to stifle RAGE* I mean, I'm not gonna troll her or anything, even though she basically just trolled my life, my dad's life, and countless other peoples' lives. (We are courteous and respectful to our enemies, for it kills them slowly. *twitches*) But I am SO. VERY. ANGRY. at her right now. Plenty of STRAIGHT people are unhappy in life, does that make being straight a bad thing? JO: you fail logic, FOREVER!

I actually had a pretty good day. It was a snow day. I got some stuff done and mostly goofed off, in a fog because last night I stayed up until three in the morning, for no real discernable reason. I've been having a stressful year (since last spring, really) and grappling with that as best I can. Internet drama cropping up within weeks of each other ... not fun. I'm trying, really I am, but when my safe havens start having their own disasters it's kinda ... horrible.

I figure if nothing else, someone else who wasn't straight might appreciate it (unless I've read you wrong, at which point you can point at me and laugh).
Um, well I'm not straight (not since The Summer Girl ... *sighs* Helen, aptly named because her face COULD launch a thousand ships. After ten minutes in her proximity she launched me right into bisexual land. Unfortunately, she's actually a bitch and I've barely spoken to her ever, but OH MY GODS SHE IS SO GORGEOUS ... *swoons* I've since figured out that I'm in courtly love with her, like, I love the IDEA of her, her beauty and all, loving her from afar and writing truly embarrassing sonnets because she is My Muse.) and I do get REALLY ANGRY at homophobes, so yes, you have read me right.

[identity profile] cysfics.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
I know where you're coming from on the safe havens. It's one of the reasons I've left the furry fandom. Both the small offshoot (oh, the stories I could tell...) and the "normal".

I've been queer since I was 12. Well, no, I was gay until I was fourteen, bi since I was 14, and pan since I was 16. I've identified as genderqueer for a little less than a year.

I'm used to this shit. I'm used to being told I don't exist. I'm used to being told I'm wrong and I'm bad. I was kicked out of Yeshiva, I was threatened, I was bullied.... -shrug- What can ya do?

It's the kind of bigotry that JO is exhibiting that I hate the most. The well meaning kind. The guy on the corner raving about god hating fags, I can cross the street and avoid. The nice girl who is the reason I've got a much more sizable anime collection? It's a punch in the stomach.

I'm so angry. So, so angry. I mean, I'm used to being angry, I'm used to being disappointed, but gods damn it all, I am so tired. I'm tired of swallowing shit to save the afternoon, tired of being nice, tired of all of this shit.

Because... y'know what? A big part of me wants to jump up and down and yell "Fuck you, straight people! Fuck you and your privilege, fuck you!". But I can't because I have to be good. Because no progress will be made if we all do that.

And were I a meaner person, a fuckton of JO femslash would be breeding. Good thing I'm such an angel, eh?

[identity profile] aunt-zelda.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been queer since I was 12. Well, no, I was gay until I was fourteen, bi since I was 14, and pan since I was 16. I've identified as genderqueer for a little less than a year.
I was wishing for girl-crushes ever since I found out what a lesbian was. (Growing up with a gay dad, my mom had boyfriends and my dad had boyfriends, so I just thought that everybody had boyfriends. So naturally it took me a little while to understand the concept of lesbians. No boyfriends? Huh ... *giggles* My childhood was strange ...) I'd just about given up on being attracted to girls ... and then SHE appeared. Now I'm happily bisexual. Hurray!

I'm used to this shit. I'm used to being told I don't exist. I'm used to being told I'm wrong and I'm bad. I was kicked out of Yeshiva, I was threatened, I was bullied.... -shrug- What can ya do?
Have I mentioned the constantly hugging you through the internet? Because that's what I'm doing. *glomps you some more*

It's the kind of bigotry that JO is exhibiting that I hate the most. The well meaning kind. The guy on the corner raving about god hating fags, I can cross the street and avoid. The nice girl who is the reason I've got a much more sizable anime collection? It's a punch in the stomach.
Yeah, that really is the worst. Everyone can agree that the crazy "GOD HATES FAGS!!1!!!111!!!!!" a-holes are awful, but it's the 'nice' people who are ok-people for the most part who upset me the most.

Because... y'know what? A big part of me wants to jump up and down and yell "Fuck you, straight people! Fuck you and your privilege, fuck you!". But I can't because I have to be good. Because no progress will be made if we all do that.
Well, not all straight people are evil. Tons of them are awesome. (Hey, I used to think I was straight.) And some homophobes ... sorry, "people who think homosexuality is unnatural but don't actually HATE gay people because that's not PC" turn out to be gay.
What's really getting me about this is that an adult intelligent woman with access to the internet thinks that homosexuality is "unnatural." I thought it was just right-wing religious idiots who thought that anymore. *headdesk*

And were I a meaner person, a fuckton of JO femslash would be breeding. Good thing I'm such an angel, eh?
I'm not gonna deny that when I read that I instantly thought (after the bile-rising, I'm-gonna-be-sick, moment, of course) to myself 'heh, you know what I want to do? Make a prompt to the kink meme about JO being a closeted lesbian and grappling with that and someone from the site helping her realize it's ok to be gay and helping her through the angst of hating herself and stuff ... no healing sex or random gayness, just realistic angst and closeted-ness and nicely handled outing and stuff ...'
Does that make me a horrible person? Maybe. I still want to ask for it, though. It's not like I'd use the fic to be mean to her, just to encompass the 'so many people who call it unnatural turn out to be gay themselves and that's actually really sad' line into story-form.
Or, you know, PWP of her and the Nostalgia Chick or something. But I like plot to channel my anger, just out-and-out porn wouldn't accomplish that. Not that I'd object to that ... f-locked, of course, don't want anyone to get upset ...
Wow, I'm a a real bitch when people upset me.

[identity profile] cysfics.livejournal.com 2011-02-04 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
See, you're being rational. I'm sure there are plenty of straight people who don't suck. But at this moment? I don't give two fucks. I'm tired, and I'm angry, and I'm tired of having to be NICE and be reasonable, because that's how it's won. I know that. But right now, I just want to rage and scream and hurt something.

I've got an essay breeding, weirdly enough. It's about never being in the majority.

[identity profile] taekarado.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
both you and jesu are right in your/her own way.

on your side, straight people can be just as unhappy as homosexuals, and both 'types' have their own sets of problems.
on her side, heterosexuality is more widely accepted, and most of the homophobia exhibited by the state still hasnt quite gone away (why else would prop 8 have gotten proposed initially?), so there is that deep-rooted stigma for them to deal with.
but back on your side again, what jesu has to remember is that if people in relationships are suffering, it might not necessarily be solely due to that stigma. all sexualities (hetero-, homo-, bi-, possibly a- as well) are equally prone to problems like domestic violence, cheating, lying and general lack of trust. their unhappiness might not evne be due to the relationship to begin with - it could be due to a serise of accumulating outside factors.

[identity profile] cysfics.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I'm amused that the one time I don't write porn, it's the porn that gets noticed. I wrote a plotty Judas Liz/Iron Liz fic!

[identity profile] aunt-zelda.livejournal.com 2011-02-03 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
And it was AWESOME! Everything you write is awesome! When will you realize this?