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On the Subject of Thralls - an Avengers fic, wtf
Title: On the Subject of Thralls
Rating: R for sex, torture, and dubious canon
Word Count: 2,588
Characters, Pairings: Thor/Tony, Steve, Bruce, hinted Natasha/Clint, mention of Natasha/OFC
Warnings: mentions of torture, allusions to rape, D/s, alcoholism, PTSD, mentions of drug use, also I’m not entirely comfortable writing some of these characters so there might be some glaring errors on my part.
Spoilers: For Iron Man. Kind of.
Summary: AU where Tony was a homeless guy living on the street, with a sign that said “Will Invent For Food.”
A/N: So, I wrote a fill for a quick prompt on comment_fic. Then the story wouldn’t leave me alone and it turned into four drabbles. Because essays due next week can wait, I’ve got Viking porn to write! The prompt kind of ran away from me, and all of the sudden I was writing smut and dream sequences and angst and I don’t even know anymore. The prompt was: Avengers, Tony + or / any, there's a homeless guy on the corner who has a motley collection of tools stuffed in an old leather pouch. He carries a sign that says, "Will Invent For Food."
There was a homeless man in the bathroom. He was half hidden underneath the cupboard underneath the sink, dragging out pipes and generally smelling to high heaven.
"Thor? Care to explain this?" Natasha asked, while Clint eyed the homeless man warily.
"I found him outside on the street. He is a good thrall. Very skilled. He fixed the beverage machine and the icebox. Tomorrow he is going to give us a 'sound system,' which he assures me is something every house must have. Why do we not have a proper sound system now? This is unacceptable."
After a long pause, Steve, who had come by to see what all the fuss was about, coughed and spoke up.
"Thor, you can't … you can't just take people off the street as thralls."
"Really? But he held a sign begging for lodging and food and listing his skills. He has no other means to support himself. He is of the lowest class in your city. What else is he but a thrall to be taken by the strongest warrior?"
"But it's slavery. That's not legal anymore. It wasn't even legal in my time!" Steve yelped.
Thor scowled. "You say there is no slavery. Yet I see it everywhere! The women on the street corners at night are forced there by dependence on drugs given to them by their masters, the young people at the centers of learning take on enormous debts in exchange for education, the people who clean the streets and boarding rooms are barely paid at all, workers in office buildings must win their freedom in order to become managers over other slaves, last week we arrested a group that held people in a windowless factory and kept their passports so they could not leave … and yet you are angry at me for providing this man with a spare room and some food so long as he fixes our machines?"
Everyone fell silent. No one was really sure how to respond to that.
"If it makes you feel any better, I'm totally fine with this!" said the man under the sink, pushing himself out and sitting up, rubbing his grimy face with grimier hands. He had shoulder-length lank greasy hair and an unfortunate scraggly beard. "You can call me whatever you want, thrall, slave, Tony, whatever, I'll keep fixing your machines and inventing stuff. Just don't throw me out. Please …" his eyes were huge, and a little bloodshot, like a drunk puppy.
Natasha sighed. "Make him take a bath at least," she said before leaving. Clint gave the man a long hard look before following her.
"Guys? Does anyone know why there's a robotic arm attached to the coffeemaker now?" Bruce wandered up and stared at Tony. "Who are you?"
"Tony! Or Thrall. I'll answer to both. The robot arm is my doing. You like?" he grinned hopefully, a worried edge to his voice. "Because I can take it off if you don't, it's really simple, just give me -"
"It's brilliant!" Bruce grinned. "I don't especially care where you came from, but please tell me you're staying? We have so much to discuss!"
Thor beamed and clapped Steve on the back. "See?! I was right to take a thrall after all!"
Steve rolled his eyes. But … Bruce looked so happy, talking with Tony and shaking his head at the man's sad excuse for a toolbox and brining him to the lab to see what the man could do with "proper tools" … and anyone that made Bruce happy was someone to keep around.
"He still has to take a bath. Several, I think. And don't let him drink too much."
"You speak as if he is the first thrall I have ever taken. I know how to care for thralls, have no fear."
Steve shrugged and headed to the kitchen. The robotic arm was very impressive, handing him the coffee pot when it was ready. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad. Weird, yes, but then again, what wasn't weird in this household?
~*~
Tony was pretty sure he’d died and gone to heaven. That was the only logical explanation here. For fuck’s sake, there was a redhead walking around in a skintight leather catsuit. This had to be heaven.
It had to be heaven because he’d experienced Hell, and this wasn’t Hell. So he had to be dead. He wasn’t on the street anymore, scrounging for coins so he could buy the cheapest bottle of whiskey in the scowling Korean woman’s store at 3am and drink until the pain had faded to a dull ache and he could close his eyes at night without hearing the screams of the dying or the glinting instruments of the men who’d tortured him.
War. He wasn’t supposed to be anywhere near the front lines, as a communications specialist he was there to repair radios and work on spy planes. Somehow he’d ended up in a jeep that had hit a bomb, and he’d woken up blinking into the bright light of a camera while hooded men cheered in Arabic or Pashtu or whatever and shot three men next to him.
They’d needed him. To fix their radios. To tell them what the Americans were assembling. To build them a test model. He’d refused at first, but they’d come with knives and electrodes and cut him and shocked him and finally dunked his head into water for what felt like days until he’d finally broken down, cried, screamed, begged for mercy they were never going to give him.
They’d pushed a piece of paper towards him, put a pencil in his shaking fingers.
“Draw, Mr. Stark. Draw us the Machine.”
His escape is a bit of a blur. He knows he managed to get into the Machine, blast his way out of that awful cave, but he hadn’t gotten far, he’d passed out in the desert and left the confines of the heavy, unstable Machine and left it to rust in the sand. He’d found a camp and passed out, not caring if they were friend or foe, too delirious to register the Red Cross symbol and the American flags.
Honorably Discharged, but as he’d never officially been on the books, no benefits, no records, no help. Too much drinking had lost him his job at the research lab, his apartment, and suddenly he’d been on the street and making a sign out of cardboard: Will Invent For Food.
A few people had taken him up on his offer, bought him burritos and burgers and even some rare salads and pasta dishes in exchange for him fixing sinks, air conditioners, flickering tvs. But it was never enough, not nearly enough, and the shelters were always full and he couldn’t take a bed when there was a teenage girl with track marks on her arms being denied one because they were out of space.
Besides, the people at the shelter thought he was crazy, talking about secret government labs and military research, a metal suit that could let a man fly and being tortured by the Taliban. He didn’t need them. What he needed was more alcohol.
Then … a huge blond guy had strode up to him, talking nonsense, but smiling broadly, and Tony felt himself hope, just a little bit. Maybe this guy was a secret serial killer, maybe this guy was going to rape him, maybe the guy just wanted him to fix a sink and would then chuck him out by nightfall, but maybe, just maybe, this guy was being honest.
So yeah, this had to be heaven. Tony was clean for the first time in what felt like years, he had on good warm clothes and his hair wasn’t stringy and long anymore and his beard was clipped to a nice short fuzz. He had delicious food whenever he wanted it, and sometimes, when Thor let him, he got to drink some good quality booze.
And the nightmares … well, they won’t be going away any time soon, but they were happening less and less. He knew it was probably the “less booze, more prescription drugs” approach Bruce had been helping him with, not to mention being able to go to sleep without worrying about some junkie stabbing him for his shoes or the government coming abduct him in the night because he knew about the Machine.
If it wasn’t heaven, then it was probably some kind of fever dream and he was about to wake up in the hospital and be told that he’d been found passed out in the subway and there were drugs in his system. And Tony’s pretty sure he couldn’t handle that, not after all he’d been through.
~*~
Tony had been living with them for three weeks before Thor brought him into his bed. Tony very much appreciated that Thor hadn’t come into Tony’s room, barged in and taken him roughly, shattered the safe place Tony had been constructing inside those four sturdy walls. Instead Tony was gently but insistently led to Thor’s bedroom. There weren’t many words, Thor probably thought them unnecessary for what they were about to do.
“Anything I should know?” Tony asked. “Like, powers you haven’t … told me about yet?”
Thor laughed and pushed Tony onto the bed, straddling the man and smiling down at him. “You have nothing to fear, mortal.”
And for all his brash behavior and intimidating strength, Thor was very considerate and kind. He made certain that Tony was never in any pain; when he was finished and Tony thought the god would roll over and leave him to finish himself off, Thor reached down and stroked Tony until he was moaning and felt boneless and pleasantly exhausted.
Thor was also, surprisingly, a cuddler. Or, rather, he held Tony close to him in the night and went to sleep with his arm curled around Tony’s waist, murmuring soft words in a language Tony didn’t understand. Tony rested his head against Thor’s shoulder and fell asleep, and for once he did not dream.
Next morning at breakfast things were decidedly chilly. Tony didn’t realize why until he noticed his reflection in the toaster, the obvious red mark on his throat broadcasting to everyone at the table what had happened the previous night.
“Tony, please tell me that’s just an, an ordinary bruise,” Bruce said quietly.
Before Tony could answer Thor spoke up. “Of course not! It’s a mark I gave him last night. While I bedded him.” He grinned in a very satisfied manner.
The table fell silent. Tony wondered if it was possible to design a chair that, if triggered with the right switch, could drop its occupant down through the floor, to escape situations such as this.
“Thor, you can’t … you can’t just …” Steve looked queasy.
“I expected better of you,” Natasha said, tone steely.
Bruce was shaking slightly, eyes squeezed shut, deep in concentration. Everyone started to eye him nervously.
“Bruce, do you need to –”
“Shut up, please,” Bruce snapped. “I’m just … I …”
Thor was very confused now. “What social law have I broken now? I thought you were all accepting of homosexual couplings. You all explained it to me when that rainbow procession passed by in June. Natasha kissed a woman while Clint took pictures. And then Clint did the same with a man, while Natasha took pictures.”
Natasha glared and Clint froze, fists clenching.
“Yes but that, that’s … different.” Steve stuttered. “You can’t just … you don’t own him, ok? I know you think you do, but he’s a human being with rights and you can’t take advantage –”
“Whoa! Whoa! Hey! Hey!” Tony said, standing up. “Who said anything about taking advantage? There was no advantage being taken. If I hadn’t wanted to, you would have all heard loud and clear how much I didn’t want to. And then the lasers would have started happening. Because the coffee machine would have attacked. I’m not entirely helpless here, I know I can’t smash walls or shoot arrows across the city, but there’s no way this guy could do anything to me I didn’t want him to do. Ok?”
It was the most he’d spoken at once in the house since arriving. He felt exhausted.
Thor clapped him on the back and pulled him down onto his lap. “See? He might be my thrall, but I could not force him. Willing partners are best, so long as there are people willing to come to my bed, why should I force anyone?”
The rest of the table still seemed uncomfortable, but much less so. Bruce, at least, didn’t look so sickly anymore, and was able to drink his juice without shaking.
~*~
That night, Tony dreamed, but he did not dream of desert caves or the Machine or terrorists. He dreamt of a rainy coastline and a dark village, of a horde of bearded men storming through town, dragging people from their homes and animals from their pens. Tony ran, thinking to hide in the trees, but a blond man caught him and tackled him to the ground. There was an ax in his hand, but he was holding it against the earth, not pressing it to Tony’s throat. At least, not yet.
“Surrender,” growled the man in a heavily accented voice, eyes shining with emotions Tony didn’t dare guess at.
“And if I do?” Tony asked, squirming. The Viking was hard; he could feel it pressing against his leg.
The Viking grinned, thrusting against Tony and reaching down to grasp Tony’s own cock, half-hard from fear and guilty arousal the proximity of the Viking.
“Surrender,” the Viking insisted, stroking Tony roughly, quickly, and then holding off, pinning Tony’s wrists to the ground and making him moan with need.
“Yes … I surrender … please …”
“Will you be my thrall?” the Viking asked, hand ghosting over Tony’s cock.
“Yes! Please … master …”
Tony woke in bed, rubbing against Thor’s leg and mumbling. Thor was biting his own hand to keep from laughing.
“You surrender, do you?” he asked, laughing uproariously as Tony turned red with mortification. “Well, I am happy to oblige you, thrall,” and then Thor pounced, cat-like, pinning Tony down. “Is this what you wanted, from the start? I thought to be gentle with you, in these times many humans desire a gentle lover … do you want me harsh?” Thor’s hands were rough, callused, easily keeping Tony from escaping his grasp. “Or is this a game, for us to play? Tell me.”
Tony smiled. “A game, I think. If you want to try.”
Thor nodded. “Teach me, then, thrall. I … command you,” he grinned. “Correct?”
Tony laughed, then tried to be serious. “Yes … master.”
There were many awkward stops and starts, pitfalls to overcome and things that frightened Tony, such as having his eyes covered, but all in all it was ultimately a success.
Tony dreamed again. He dreamed of standing on the deck of a longship, approaching an icy land of deep snowdrifts and barren trees. Tony was cold, but the furs his master draped had over his shoulders kept him warm. Just as he would keep his master’s bed warm in the long winter nights, and wait for him to return from raiding voyages in the summer.
“Your new home, thrall,” his master said, wrapping his strong arms around Tony’s body.
“Yes,” Tony said, leaning back against his master. “Yes it is.”
(The end.)
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Viking porn is a No.1 priority.
I have more or less crammed all Icelandic sagas (as in, historical) for NaNo research this month so I'm squeeing with glee right now at all the accuracies and culture clash.
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*nods sagely* I write the kind of stuff I'd want to read. And the world needs way more Viking porn. Seriously.
I have more or less crammed all Icelandic sagas (as in, historical) for NaNo research this month
Really? That sounds awesome!
so I'm squeeing with glee right now at all the accuracies and culture clash.
*blushes and beams* I just really like the Vikings and took a great class on them in high school that stuck with me. Included having to paint a big cheesy poster of Yggdrasil, which is now on my wall back home.
In response to your comment on comment_fic, this could be an interesting long AU, particularly if other Asgardians get involved. What would Tony's status with them be? Or Tony's past rears its head. Fury would have to find out he lives with them, right?
It really could ... thing is, I'm not ... um ... see I haven't ...
There's no easy way to say this. I haven't seen the Avengers yet. Or most of the tie-in movies, actually. Everything I know comes from some fanfics on comment_fic, listening to my friends squee about it constantly in real life, and reading long discussion threads on fandom_secrets. I don't even know WHY I haven't seen the Avengers yet, I know I should, but I haven't.
I feel like such a bad person now.
I did set up some interesting stuff here. Like, what would Loki think of Tony? What would Odin? How would the whole family see Tony, as a worthy partner for Thor or just a toy or a pet or what? I've gotta think about this ...
I'm pretty sure most of them would just dismiss him as a thrall, nothing more, if they thought about him at all. But when Tony invents the Iron Man suit and starts taking on bad guys in it, they might start to see him and Thor as a kind of battle couple.
Yeah, Tony's past ... I had to make it all tragic because he had to end up on the streets, but he had to be a great inventor ... Fury is going to find out soon, and do some digging, and either clear everything and make Tony officially part of the team so he's protected, or the government will try and take Tony away and the team will band together to defend him and he'll come out in the Iron Man prototype suite and it'll be badass and wonderful and then he and Thor will have so much sex they'll break the bed. Twice.
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I don't suppose there is a picture of that anywhere...*bats eyelashes hopefully*
"here's no easy way to say this. I haven't seen the Avengers yet. Or most of the tie-in movies, actually. Everything I know comes from some fanfics on comment_fic, listening to my friends squee about it constantly in real life, and reading long discussion threads on fandom_secrets."
LOL, it was the same with me for Inuyasha and a few other anime fandoms long ago. You still have good characterisation, considering not only that you haven't seen it, but that this fandom is awfully keen on Alternative Character Interpretation. The only thing that is very different is Thor, but I figured since we're already going AU, this could be an AU where Thor acts more like...well, Thor. (A lot of people seem to love mixing mythology in fics anyway, and I see how that would get confusing.) As far as Marvel goes, one has to wonder if the creator of the comic was even familiar with the god beyond the fact that he has a hammer. Or they simply decided to alter myth to suit comic purposes. The rest of Asgard is no better. And then movieverse seems to have different characterisation than comic.
"How would the whole family see Tony, as a worthy partner for Thor or just a toy or a pet or what? I've gotta think about this ..."
If we are going with Real Norse here, I doubt they will ever accept Tony until Tony does something manly. And even then, Thor would have to free him first.
But before that, would they try to hurt or kidnap Tony as Thor's possession in order irritate Thor?
"Yeah, Tony's past ... I had to make it all tragic because he had to end up on the streets, but he had to be a great inventor ... "
Is he still Howard Stark's son? If so, how does he end up enlisting rather than being a playboy? Not sure if you saw Iron Man - did the villain there act sooner and contribute to this?
(If you want to continue writing this, I'm here if canon-check is needed...
You probably already know Tropes page is detailed. I'd take Cracked's If Avengers was 10 Times Shorter (http://www.cracked.com/article_19841_if-avengers-was-10-times-shorter-100-times-more-honest.html) with a grain of salt, though. :P)
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Not on me, no, sorry. I'll take a picture and upload it when I go home for winter break?
LOL, it was the same with me for Inuyasha and a few other anime fandoms long ago. You still have good characterisation, considering not only that you haven't seen it, but that this fandom is awfully keen on Alternative Character Interpretation. The only thing that is very different is Thor, but I figured since we're already going AU, this could be an AU where Thor acts more like...well, Thor. (A lot of people seem to love mixing mythology in fics anyway, and I see how that would get confusing.) As far as Marvel goes, one has to wonder if the creator of the comic was even familiar with the god beyond the fact that he has a hammer. Or they simply decided to alter myth to suit comic purposes. The rest of Asgard is no better. And then movieverse seems to have different characterisation than comic.
Oh thank goodness! Thank you so much!
I'm so confused about Thor. I haven't seen any of his movies, I've read some fic but it's all inconsistent and doesn't match the mythology at all or even other fics. I've also read a lot of complaining on fandom_secrets about how people write him as this big dumb doofus who talks in Ye Olde English, so I tried to avoid that if at all possible. *shrugs* He's ... Thor.
If we are going with Real Norse here, I doubt they will ever accept Tony until Tony does something manly. And even then, Thor would have to free him first.
Yeppers! But then Thor would still have to be "the man" in bed, according to them, so they still wouldn't see Tony as an equal ... *headdesk* Unless opinions on that have changed over the centuries? Do gods change? If any did, the Norse gods would, I think. Maybe they now ascribe to this man's kind of thinking, and they think it's wicked manly for men to be having sex with other men? NSWF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU
If any pantheon would start equating "big warrior guys fucking each other" with "manliness," it'd probably be the Norse gods. Just sayin' ...
Anyhoodle, Thor is totally going to free Tony soon. He's aware that the culture has changed and it's probably not ok to keep Tony as a thrall officially for several years, and consider his kids "freedmen" for two generations and then their kids are "freemen" and don't have to listen to him. So he'll probably have some official ceremony after six months or a year or something but still call Tony "thrall" affectionately.
But before that, would they try to hurt or kidnap Tony as Thor's possession in order irritate Thor?
Quite possibly.
Is he still Howard Stark's son? If so, how does he end up enlisting rather than being a playboy? Not sure if you saw Iron Man - did the villain there act sooner and contribute to this?
I did see Iron Man. But ... that's about it.
Um, I guess? Maybe Howard Stark wasn't that wealthy or successful, Tony was talented but never quite made it big, and then enlisted because he needed money, and then things all went south.
(If you want to continue writing this, I'm here if canon-check is needed...
Thank you! I'm wicked busy but if I do want to keep working on this, I might call on you as a beta.
You probably already know Tropes page is detailed. I'd take Cracked's If Avengers was 10 Times Shorter with a grain of salt, though. :P)
Ah yes, tvtropes is wonderful!
I should just watch the movie. And all the movies, actually. Ahahaa, I know enough about the movie that the Cracked article was awesome.
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Oh, sorry. No pressure.
"I'm so confused about Thor. I haven't seen any of his movies, I've read some fic but it's all inconsistent and doesn't match the mythology at all or even other fics. I've also read a lot of complaining on fandom_secrets about how people write him as this big dumb doofus who talks in Ye Olde English, so I tried to avoid that if at all possible. "
I saw Thor first, and probably wouldn't have even bothered with Avengers if I haven't seen it. (Well, I might have seen it eventually, but I wouldn't have been this eager.) I did figure it would be nothing like actual Thor, but who cares? There is woefully too little Norse-anything in movies nowadays, I'll settle for whatever. One can rewatch 13th Warrior only so many times.
It's still my favourite of the movieverse (I haven't seen Cap yet, though. Or Ruffalo's Hulk.) because of characterisation. And acting. It's hammy when necessary, but most of it is subtle but great. It got oversimplified in Avengers and I hate how Whedon ruined the whole intricate relationship between Thor and Loki for a laugh with "He's adopted". You'd have to have seen both to get this, but...
But yeah, he is different from myth!Thor. And I suspect the doofus thing is half to blame on Avengers (particularly Tony Stark calling him out on being Shakespearian), and half on rabid Loki fangirls demonising everyone in Asgard so it couldn't possibly be poor baby's fault. (Don't get me wrong, myth!Loki did get terrible treatment - he was bad, but others weren't much better. Comic Loki is somewhere in-between - he was malicious on purpose from early on. But movie!Loki got treated much better - and I don't think he has children here. In fact, he's more removed from myth origin than Thor.)
"Yeppers! But then Thor would still have to be "the man" in bed, according to them, so they still wouldn't see Tony as an equal ... *headdesk*"
Well, Norse-wise, not 100% but better than thrall? If you're going for actual Marvel-verse, things are slightly better...
"If any pantheon would start equating "big warrior guys fucking each other" with "manliness," it'd probably be the Norse gods. "
As long as they fight about who gets to top every time.
"Um, I guess? Maybe Howard Stark wasn't that wealthy or successful, Tony was talented but never quite made it big, and then enlisted because he needed money, and then things all went south."
Well, it could be Obediah influenced him otherwise, or found the way to snatch the company away sooner...or something simply happened and Tony turned out the different way?
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Don't worry about it, I'll take a picture when I get home. It's a sweet poster, wish I could bring it to college but I don't want to risk damaging it on the walls here with tape and sticky putty and such.
There is woefully too little Norse-anything in movies nowadays, I'll settle for whatever. One can rewatch 13th Warrior only so many times.
I know, right?! : (
Check out Happy Viking on blip, he does a show called Frothy Pint of Metal, mostly metal band reviews, but he sometimes reviews Viking movies and talks about how sad it is that there aren't many good ones out there.
But yeah, he is different from myth!Thor. And I suspect the doofus thing is half to blame on Avengers (particularly Tony Stark calling him out on being Shakespearian), and half on rabid Loki fangirls demonising everyone in Asgard so it couldn't possibly be poor baby's fault. (Don't get me wrong, myth!Loki did get terrible treatment - he was bad, but others weren't much better. Comic Loki is somewhere in-between - he was malicious on purpose from early on. But movie!Loki got treated much better - and I don't think he has children here. In fact, he's more removed from myth origin than Thor.)
I'm just going to have to watch the movies. All of them. And then write my fanfic however I damn well please, but at least I'll know what the canon is (sort of) and feel confident in my deviations.
Well, Norse-wise, not 100% but better than thrall? If you're going for actual Marvel-verse, things are slightly better...
Now I'm wondering about how the gods would be feeling about modern issues and changes. I mean, they're not really worshipped so much anymore except by some small groups of scattered pagans, so would they change more readily or less so, and how does that work compared to other religions, and ... I should just download the audiobook version of American Gods and go to sleep listening to it. I'm too tired for this right now.
As long as they fight about who gets to top every time.
:D I approve of this plan. Immensely. Fetch the popcorn!
Well, it could be Obediah influenced him otherwise, or found the way to snatch the company away sooner...or something simply happened and Tony turned out the different way?
Yes to all of the above? *shrugs* So long as he's a smart inventor who ended up on the front lines by mistake and got captured and tortured for information on a secret government weapon, and escaped and got written off and ended up on the streets, I'm probably not going to go too far into the backstory than that. The military fallout and worrying about the government coming to get him is what I'll deal with. If I write more. Which I might not. Depends. Need to work on essays!
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Thanks!
Have you heard of webcomic Brat-halla? It has Odin's childen as...children plus deaged Loki. It's on long hiatus now, but there is more than enough to see.
"And then write my fanfic however I damn well please, but at least I'll know what the canon is (sort of) and feel confident in my deviations. "
Yes, it's easier when you set AU rules. And state them in notes, so there are no questions/corrections from readers.
"Need to work on essays!"
So much work, so little time...good luck!
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(Gunnnhhh. I read slash. And I liked it. *scratches head* Heck, I even asked for it, didn't I? *ponders* Huh. But I find this AU couple strangely adorable.)
Thanks!
Okay, go do your essay now. :D
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(Gunnnhhh. I read slash. And I liked it. *scratches head* Heck, I even asked for it, didn't I? *ponders* Huh. But I find this AU couple strangely adorable.)
*sporfles* How have you been in fandom for any length of time and managed to avoid slash? That's kind of amazing.
They are adorable. I had so much fun writing them. Later they're gonna go out and punch bad guys and get drunk on mead and fall asleep on top of each other and the others will draw things on their faces in sharpie.
Okay, go do your essay now. :D
Ahahaha, yes, that's a good point. Lots of work to be done tomorrow. And Friday night. And all weekend. Oh gods.
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LOL! Punch bad guys and get drunk on mead? Hehe. Is Tony going to make his suit? He'd better! *gasp* He should create a robot or a program or something and call it THRALL. ;D
Ugh, homework. Hate it. DIEEEEE!!!!
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ETA: Except incest. I get the kink, just don't care for it.
(And yes, pseudoincest is still incest, particularly since they keep making them call each other "brother" while having sex.)
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Like, Lucrezia/Cesare in The Borgias, they're probably one of the sweetest relationships on the show, not canonically incestuous but there's a lot of hinting, they genuinely care about each other and they aren't taking advantage of each other. I'd read fic for them. Maybe that's a bad example ...
(And yes, pseudoincest is still incest, particularly since they keep making them call each other "brother" while having sex.)
*sporfles* People debate about that? Ahahahaa, I'm not sure if I want in on this fandom or I want to run far away ...
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"*sporfles* People debate about that? Ahahahaa, I'm not sure if I want in on this fandom or I want to run far away ..."
Well, as long as you stay away from anything tagged "Thorki", you should be fine...
(Then again, there are a few NotAdopted!AU fics where they aren't siblings...)
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I can't recommend it enough if you're in any way into period pieces like that. Well, I mean, there's a lot of murder and sex but they tone down the "extreeeeme look at us we're Showtime we can show you boobs and gore!" stuff by Season 2. And the acting is fantastic. And the women are badass. And Jeremy Irons as the Evil Pope. Life doesn't get much better than that!
Basically, it's like the Tudors, but more so, and better in my opinion.
I even like it better than Game of Thrones, shhhhhhhhhh!Well, as long as you stay away from anything tagged "Thorki", you should be fine...
(Then again, there are a few NotAdopted!AU fics where they aren't siblings...)
See, now I'm all curious and stuff and want to read about the hot blond warrior guy having hatesex with the skinnier lanky black haired guy. They're not, like, ACTUAL brothers, I mean, in mythology Loki became blood-brothers with Odin, and there was that hilarious skit where he dressed up Thor in a dress to get his (ahem) "hammer" back because the Jotuns stole it, lol. Loki had too much fun with that, let's be real.
I see the physical appeal, is what I'm saying here. I'll need to watch the movies to see if their dynamic squicks me or not.
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I liked GoT first season, but I'm getting dubious about second one. I read the books long ago.
But Borgias are on to-see list, as soon as I get more time...
"See, now I'm all curious and stuff and want to read about the hot blond warrior guy having hatesex with the skinnier lanky black haired guy. They're not, like, ACTUAL brothers, I mean, in mythology Loki became blood-brothers with Odin, and there was that hilarious skit where he dressed up Thor in a dress to get his (ahem) "hammer" back because the Jotuns stole it, lol. Loki had too much fun with that, let's be real.
I see the physical appeal, is what I'm saying here. I'll need to watch the movies to see if their dynamic squicks me or not."
Well, not in mythology. In Marvelverse, Odin adopts Loki. In comics, he finds out sooner that he is adopted. In movieverse, it's catalyst for problems. (Thor movie, to be precise.) They have this wonderful love/hate dynamic that spawns all those fics, but I see they still think of each other as brother (no matter how much they deny it at times).
So slash there squicks me. But if AU is set where there is no adoption, I'm mostly okay.
But see for yourself.
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Haha, incest. Has anyone done a study on incest in fanfic? They should. I want to know why it's so interesting to so many people.
Re pseudoincest: Yeah, agree. Still gross.
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I wanna give you a hug!
The first fanfic I found was a hardcore, disturbing dub-con Mylar fic. It involved bloodplay. I was shocked but also intrigued. From then on, I was hooked.
Haha, incest. Has anyone done a study on incest in fanfic? They should. I want to know why it's so interesting to so many people.
Well, there's the people who just enjoy two attractive people going at it, regardless of their characters.
Then there's people who want to explore the taboo nature of an incestuous relationship with characters they already love. It's a challenge, you see.
Then there's people who think it's just a hot idea because of the taboo. (Think of the stereotypical male fantasy of twins sisters.)
At least, that's what I've observed over the years. *shrugs*
Re pseudoincest: Yeah, agree. Still gross.
Incest is incest. I'm even squicked by stuff like stepsiblings and kids who aren't blood related but grew up as siblings.
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That reminds me of the deleted scene in Firefly where River tells Simon that they have to get married because she's in the family way. (If you don't know the show, River is crazy and Simon is her brother.)
Hmm. Re pseudoincest: I'm currently co-writing a verse with someone (well, it started out as my verse, but she had an idea and I told her to write it) about the Leverage team in the future, where they have kids (N/S, P/H). We've paired two of those kids up (N/S's daughter and Eliot's son). They're "cousins," but not really, since one of them was "discovered" late in the game--Eliot had a one-night stand and found out ten years later that he's a dad. So they grew up together, but they never really thought of each other the way they think of the P/H kids. It's all about perception, isn't it?
(Edited because I forgot an 's', which changed the meaning of what I meant a little bit)
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Yep. I mean, I don't go looking for it, and I try to avoid it, but if it's written well and they explore the relationship in a mature way, I'll give the odd incest fic a chance.
That reminds me of the deleted scene in Firefly where River tells Simon that they have to get married because she's in the family way. (If you don't know the show, River is crazy and Simon is her brother.)
*sporfles* Oh yes, the crazy space incest! I don't ship those two but that scene is hilarious.
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Tamcest. Totally gross. But the more I watch that scene, the more I think she's totally messing with him because she's a bratty little sister.
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Well, if it's live action, it's probably the looks. Wincest is def. about that. In manga/anime they actually often play with the hints. (No one fetishises like Japanese. No one.) A few people like feeling naughty, I guess.
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Looks, yeah. Got that. And Dean is usually bottom because he's "prettier."
On this topic: http://archiveofourown.org/works/494665?view_adult=true
Hilarious.
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Come to think of it, that might be the reason why I don't care for femslash. Deep-seated trauma.
LOL, I did reverse of that few days ago for a prompt table set - a character discovering fanfiction and trolling others by writing OOC smut about them while they live on in blissful ignorance.
(I'm also disappointed Frostiron was not brought up. I'd love to see Tony's reaction to that.)
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Heee! Ooh, I want to read that "character discovering fanfic" story!
Frostiron? O.o Interesting...And I can totally see it, especially since Tony's probably the only Avenger (aside from maybe Thor) who can't be hypnotized by Loki.
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(Warning: NSFW)
http://enochia.livejournal.com/35767.html
*looks at comment below* May I see yours?
I had a few more fics like that buried somewhere in bookmarks, but none in currently popular fandom...wait, there was a decent HP one. Draco's reaction to Drarry was hilarious, from what I remember. Need to find it again...
While the dynamics in that pairing are fascinating, I'd love to see a fic where they discover a Frostiron fic and the flailing it will cause. Particularly Tony.
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Mine? Where did it go? I wrote it a while back...Ah-ha!
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5331957/19/Twenty-Questions
See? Mild.
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See, I started with Heroes. It was tough to avoid the incest, but I did. I went with Sylar/Mohinder, which was all kinds of fucked-up but people KNEW THAT and EMBRACED IT. Kept trying to convert me to SPN, but I never got around to it.
It just tends to leave me feeling a little uncomfortable after. It could be the sex part of it, though. I don't read het sex scenes, either.
*shrugs* Could be. To each their own. I don't write a lot of gen, but sometimes I do, and sometimes my fics are kind of tame. It depends on my mood and the pairing.
ex: Leverage/Angel - I'll literally read anything in that fandom. Anything.
Both very good shows, great Nakamas!
LOL! Punch bad guys and get drunk on mead? Hehe. Is Tony going to make his suit? He'd better!
Yes, drunk on mead! And Tony will make his suit, of course.
*gasp* He should create a robot or a program or something and call it THRALL. ;D
*sporfles* Possibly. I'll think about that.
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Yeah, I can read tame slash, but the kinky stuff makes me feel weird.
Yeees, very good shows. I've flooded the Leverage/Angel category at FF.Net, haha.
Yay! Hobo suit! ;D
THRALL. Please? :D
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Yeah, I can read tame slash, but the kinky stuff makes me feel weird.
That's fine. There's plenty of tame stuff out there.
Yay! Hobo suit! ;D
What? No! No hobo suit ... don't you quote the Incredibles at me!
THRALL. Please? :D
Maybe, I'm very busy with not failing classes, you know.
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Yes, hobo suit, dah-ling. But no capes!
But it's almost Christmas break, isn't it? ;D (Huh, typed 'F' by mistake. Almost gave you a vampire emoticon. :F)
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Um, yes. Are you familiar with the website ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com? There existed only one fic, a trollfic. People int he tvtropes forums begged for some good fic. I wrote a fic. I got some people talking about tgwtg.com stuff and writing more fic. We got more friends and made a community. A guy from the website read my fic dramatically in a video, with accompanying art from another guy on the site and his slash fangirl girlfriend. And things just sort of exploded after that.
Yes, hobo suit, dah-ling. But no capes!
I'm going to friend you now, ok?
But it's almost Christmas break, isn't it? ;D (Huh, typed 'F' by mistake. Almost gave you a vampire emoticon. :F)
Yes, soon. But I'll be busy then too. Looking for internships. Preparing for MAGFest 2013. I'll find time for fic though!
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Friended back!
Oooh, internships, those are really helpful when looking for a job. Yay, fic!
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(BTW, forgot to say, kink and sex here was moderate and well done.)
Hobo Man and THRALL. It must happen. I'll write you Avengers Anything You Want if it does. MPREG included. (Already did it, actually.)
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(Yes, I agree on the sex scene in this story. If I liked it, then it was exceptionally good...and mild. :D)
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Oh, thanks! I usually don't get too terribly smutty, I get afraid of making mistakes or making things unsexy.
Hobo Man and THRALL. It must happen. I'll write you Avengers Anything You Want if it does. MPREG included. (Already did it, actually.)
Why does everyone want the Hobo Suit and THRALL? What have I done? I haven't even seen the Avengers and now people are promising me fics if I write Hobo Suit and the THRALL program ...
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Well, you can get Iron Man only fic. Or maybe even some other fandom, if we have any that match. Norse Mythology?
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It's a little ironical, isn't it, that when Thor and Tony were having consensual relations and the Avengers were horrified, no one seemed to be asking Tony how he felt about the whole thing. Yjr Avengers were trying to be properly horrified, but at times it was like they were trying to correct Thor on properly taking care of a pet. I know they mean well, but damn it, Tony's in the room too, people!
But getting inside Tony's head and Thor seeing and responding to his desires, even awkwardly at first, was so incredibly sweet. They were both really stumbling towards love there, love and acceptance and belonging, and that's so important for both of them.
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I love how you did Tony's backstory, with the government dropping the ball big time after his capture, and leaving him no resources to get himself right being tortured and held for months on one. Tony knowing how insane his story sounded, self-medicating because what else is he going to do, losing everything, and giving up the possibility of a bed to go for someone who needed it more... *huggles*
Yeah, ALL THE ANGST, let me show you it! Seriously, there's some things that crop up a lot in my stories: FoeYay, angst, dream sequences, and gratuitous smut.
Yes, Tony needs all the hugs. Thank goodness Thor found him so he could get his life turned around. And hugs.
It's a little ironical, isn't it, that when Thor and Tony were having consensual relations and the Avengers were horrified, no one seemed to be asking Tony how he felt about the whole thing. Yjr Avengers were trying to be properly horrified, but at times it was like they were trying to correct Thor on properly taking care of a pet. I know they mean well, but damn it, Tony's in the room too, people!
Well, to be fair, they weren't reacting for long until Tony set them right. From their perspective, Thor is a demigod (or god, whatever, the canon isn't clear to me) with superpowers and superstrength who's taking advantage of a human guy he pulled off the street who pretty much owes him his life. They wanted to make sure Thor understood that saying "sleep with me and you can still live here, or I'll throw you out on the streets again" isn't ok at all and is coercive. Initially they thought that Tony wouldn't bring it up because he'd be too scared to ask for help and risk his new home. By making it clear that they disapproved of Thor's actions, they were making it possible for Tony to speak up. Or at least that's how they were thinking. Thankfully it turned out that it wasn't rape and Tony has the coffee machine set to stun and possibly kill.
But getting inside Tony's head and Thor seeing and responding to his desires, even awkwardly at first, was so incredibly sweet. They were both really stumbling towards love there, love and acceptance and belonging, and that's so important for both of them.
Thank you. I had way too much fun with that. They're just so ... unf, y'know? I just love the image of Thor pinning him down on the bed and asking him what he wants. And Tony's sexy dreams. Oh Tony.
And the fact that it isn't just sex for either of them, it's comfort and acceptance and safety and all that good stuff. I love their exchange at the end where Thor is actually talking about what they're doing in bed, they've come a long way from "I was right to take a thrall after all!" even though Thor was never going to be a bad "master."
Really, Tony is convinced he's died and gone to hobo heaven. He's got fancy tools and a lab and a science partner to make machines with, a whole group of super strong people to keep him safe from the big bad government and terrorists and who knows what else, he doesn't need the booze so much anymore, and a hot blond Viking has epic sex with him whenever he wants it. Life is AWESOME now, thank you very much.
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Oh, this is so lovely! I really like Tony thinking he'd died and gone to heaven because of Natasha.
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Awwww, thank you!
I really like Tony thinking he'd died and gone to heaven because of Natasha.
Well, if you went from living on the streets to living in a penthouse with loads of attractive people including a hot redhead in a leather catsuit wandering around and all the food and SCIENCE you could want ... it's the only logical explanation, right?